`? Living Without Money Engelsk versjon Dalchows verden`  K Your thoughts on hearing of a woman living 14 years with no money?` " I was amazed and impressed.`s> I didn't think it was possible to live without money.`uE It made me happy, because I think she's a courageous person.`$ She's setting a good example.`P I had everything I needed. I had a house, and I've raised two children.`+G Still, I gave everything away. I wanted to make an experiment.`4G How do people react when you tell them you live without money? `u# Are they surprised, or what? `x? Sometimes people ask me what I will do when I get old. `= 7 I am already old, and I like to live this way. `@  9 Most people my age like to sit in their gardens. `   I like to travel around.`vu6 What does your family think about your ideas?`*G My children were worried in the beginning. My friends as well.`;A They thought: "Some day she'll come back to her senses."`=": But now they see that what I'm doing makes sense.`%Q& And they give me moral support.`SQ3 With their minds, that is. Not with money.`  K I had a negative impression. She believes she lives without money.` =P But in fact she's living off of other people. That's all I have to say.`?C Maybe one could live without money, but...a long time ago.`I But now, with the Internet and all, one just has to spend money.`^L Due to the crisis, many struggle to get by on their monthly income.``5 None of us can imagine a life without money.`Q Heidemarie Schwermer chose to live without money, and is happy that way.` L  `  N I don't have my own apartment. That was the first thing I got rid of.` wJ Mostly I live with other people. For one year I was housesitting.`zG Now I live with others, and try to spread my ideas everywhere.`j5 It has nothing to do with money or no money. `l2 But rather: How do I really want to live?!`e* "`g<  #`3  $`2 My goal is to get more people to join in.%`E At the moment, my aim is not to say: "Get rid of all money."&`$ J I would rather present ways to reach a more simple life together.'`P Hello.(`z Hello.)`6 We are from BUND Youth. It's like Greenpeace.*`!L We're attending a workshop called +`#lF We barter, and wonder if you would like to trade this pencil.,`n@ @ I'd like to. I'll give you a delicious pear and a plum.-`  , _Cool. Thank you! _Have a nice day..` ;  /`wJ We have a room, a kitchen and toilets. Everything else we barter.0`|U  1`%`, 2` I give you a present.3`- _No, that's silly. _Why is it silly?4`!4< _Why won't you accept a gift? _We'll give you this.5`6+ _Then let's exchange gifts. _Okay!6`+ What kind of present would you like?7`= _What would you like to give us? _Whatever you want.8`+ _This is brownish red. _Yes. Cool!9` 0 _Is there a bright red one? _Yes, here.:` ? 4 _We'll give you this. _Thank you very much.;`  ; I'll prepare it with garlic and olive oil at home.<`#I How did you manage this? You started out with one little pencil?=` P _We traded it into so many things. _At some point we even had neckties.>`( Even hats. All kinds of things!?`': When I started the exchange circle in Dortmund, _@`*9 _ we arranged an exchange market  every Sunday.A`L Everyone brought something they didn't need, and put it on a table.B` 9 Then you could help yourself to what you wanted.C`Z0 Could you imagine doing this at school?D`8 In my class, some people would be enthusiastic.E`6 Others would ask: "Are you out of your mind?"F`6 Could you ever imagine a world without money?G` ) _Definitely. _You could? Really?H`  " Most people cannot imagine.I` Z B I could imagine a world where you wouldn't have to trade.J`\ SB Instead, people could just help each other, like friends.K`2; A society in which everyone would help each other.L` :  M`  5  N`  ,A <"I'm not going to do this>  O` y G  P` J 6  Q` h . R` 8 Definitely not Monday. I have to call Cornelia.S`  @H If anything, we will arrive on Sunday. But it might be too far.T` 0 C  U`  >  V`  H It's normal to have a TV set and so on. To simply give it up...W`  e That would be tough.X` g OG What was your life like when you started living without money?Y` R N Did you have a house or an apartment? Did you terminate the contract?Z`  o@ I did. When a woman went to America for three months...[` r 5 I said: "The time is right. Now I'll do it."\`  M She wanted me to live in her house for those three months. So I did.]` 9 What did you keep? Did you keep anything at all?^` 9 I gave everything away. It was easy. Everything!_` RA After my apartment was emptied, I jumped around for joy.``  P You wouldn't understand, of course, as you would like to gather things.a`  &2 You are in a totally different situation.b` ( D But for me it was wonderful to get rid of all this ballast.c`  K4 I can imagine how you could live like this.d` M nC But do you really think it would work for the whole world?e` r P If it continues the way it is now, with greedy and possessive people...f` " !G If they think that more possessions increase their prestige...g` % 6 As long as this continues, nothing will work.h`   N I believe this system will collapse. Even more than it did last year.i`  A A change is bound to come, and now is the time to start.j` & @ That's why I run around and tell people to get started.k` 3 b Potatoes, in any case.l`   And...m`  : And raspberries. No, we have enough strawberries.n` # nE How did you react when I first showed up here without money?o` q E I've never asked you this before. How did you feel about it?p` / I think what you're doing is exciting.q` ) And I also think it's a good idea.r` R; But I'm in a different phase. I admire you for it.s` T w# But to live without money...t` y 16 _I've never told you to do so. _That's right.u` 3 A But to become more independent of money is a good thing.v` ! M( Your house is always open for me.w` P ,6 I may come here, and never feel out of place.x` . ? I enjoy your presence here. For me it's an enrichment.y`   I'm open_minded.z`  A Do you also feel the world needs a change of directions?{`  > Yes, because of all the anxiety. I know my own fears.|`  D: And the people I work with also have their fears.}` F E _What kind of anxiety? _Fear of living, existential angst...~`   Security concerns...` I 1 The last time, I only washed the inside.` L @  `N ) `6  `L  `6  `T  `, ` ;  `=  ` =  `u& `8  `- `5  `.e Which side? These two?`gT* Yes. And apply the clay all over.`> Years ago, I heard a radio interview with Heidemarie.` > I wanted to meet this woman. So I wrote her a letter.`a Z ?  `]  G  ` 3  <10 years ago.>`4  `N  `< Maybe you could enter first, and talk to the woman.`- _Or don't you want to? _That's okay.`4 Hello.`\G We were wondering if you would have some surplus bread for us.`^E We have this project. We're living for a week without money.`E4 We would like to offer something in return.`G$ E We could hand out PR for you or assist you in any other way.`&  ' Here is a flyer for you to read.` N) _Bread is no problem. _Terrific!`P: Do you have any idea as to howcould help out?` Not at the moment.`Q Think about it, we'll be back. And when you get an idea, we'll help you.`6 We're four strong ladies. We'd love to do it.`d3 Clean the shop, deliver bread... Whatever.`g^C He came out, and he seemed open. Very quickly he said yes.`a At least we won't starve.`9 I'll read it through, and then we'll talk again.`6G You could give us food which is out of date, but still edible.`8  We're quite creative.`w h ;  `k  : Me, for instance... I can offer healing and yoga.`R R These ladies didn't bring any money, but would still like to use our spa.`2 I really don't know.`58J The right person to address is Mr. Gallant at the tourist office.`/ They will probably call and warn them.`J _"Some crazy women are on their way!" _They'll close immediately!`!?8 We have made a list of what we could offer you.` What is "body cell rock"?`: That's a song. You hear it everywhere these days.`G7 People sing: "Every cell in my body is happy!"`Iz' "Every cell is filled with joy."`|4 Then it goes: "Every cell, in every place."` < "Every cell is doing well."  This cheers people up.` ] , They sing it in spas and such places.`H Those few projects have caused a great difference in awareness.`kiI It's not about having a free sandwich to fill your stomach with.`k( It's about something fundamental.`G I'm often invited to places where people ask: "What cando?"`D I don't have a clear answer. I tell them: "It's your life."`B3 "Make your own decisions.  Don't copy me."`Ex $ They want to start somewhere.`  4 So why not suggest a project like this one?`  ) To experience your own reactions _` L _ when you break out of established  patterns, into something new.` Hello.`> We didn't know when you close. Is it 1 p.m. or 12:30?`c< _So we rushed here, to make it. _We close at 1 p.m.`f- _You may start from the back. _Okay.` ) Thomas! He'll be right with you.`R Life has changed drastically for us. I took over the shop from my father.`V, _Did you not really want to? _Sure.`X= But we didn't really know what we were getting into.`k M We accepted it, but unfortunately it affected our whole family life.` I 1 How do you like my coming here to clean?`K  A little silly?`R _Are you doing this as an experiment? _I've lived 13 years without money.`1 I'm a therapist. I used to be a teacher.`" I'd like to emphasize this.`gP I do this because I clearly feel that it doesn't work the way it's now.`iB You have to work all the time, while others have nothing.` Well, that's...`"G I want to move away from competition and towards togetherness.`2 _Do you live without stress? _Absolutely!` D _That's a great advantage. _Yes. I'm free, and stress free.`9  1 _But not everyone can do what I do. _No.`  1 Still, we could have a moneyless system.` Q4 And the world would go round without money.`8 Maybe on a small scale, but the whole world...?`r; I'm not sure if many people are prepared to do so.`= Not now, but when the collapse sets in. And it will.`= _It's not over yet? _I think it will get much worse.`lK For me, luxury means to have everything I need. I don't want more.`|< I don't want 20 pairs of shoes. I want three pairs.`~|R One pair for the house, one for going out, maybe one pair of party shoes.` Then I'm contented.` # _Here you are. _Thank you!` V 3 _Would you like some bananas? _Yes, but...`Y  < _Not all of them. _On Monday we'll throw them away.` ] # In that case I'll grab them.`` ?0 _Bye, and thank you. _Don't mention it.` C Through your lectures and the media, you've got a network.`M; That makes it easier to live without money, right?`O# Yes.`%>O _Your contacts are your currency? _Not currency. That's going too far.`A 8 You cannot compare me to other homeless people.`  B They are not well known, and invited into people's homes.`   So there's a difference.` > It's not like: "If you give to me, I'll give to you."`; _What do you give? _I don't even think about this.`h @ Many people tell me: "With you around, life is easier."`K I used to work as a psychotherapist. Many people write to tell me:`\4 "Your living without money  encourages us."`i4 "Because we fear  ending up in the gutter."` + P  `-  R  `Y O. `QJ  `@  ` `t! `n I live without money.`p2 _But you barter? _It's more like sharing.`+ Bartering was only a starting point.`9N I've heard you have so much money, you don't know what to do with it.`= I I have a couple of tips. We can talk about it later on the show.`j {A The Porsche shares have tripled in the past four months.`}qC At their lowest, they were worth around 25, and today...`sD I need to check my iPhone. But I think they're close to 60.`= By the way, here's my bag. Who will take care of it?`& Who will bring my bag on stage?`? _We'll look inside it, you know. _Look inside? Really?`Q  `E  `@ ' Heidemarie Schwermer. Welcome. `I   `U   `}B   `M   `XJ _Alex, could you bring in the bags? _I don't need to unpack them?`[2 You have everything you need in your bag?`" Could we have a quick look?`L Just to check that it's not the booty from the latest bank robbery.`4 That it's not full of  50 and 100 notes.` ) Just a moment. I can tell you...``  2 There are pullovers. Winter's on its way.`  ( _One thick sock... _Socks, yes.` W ) _Do you ever sleep outside? _No.`Y 4 How do you do it...? I think that's enough.`q@ _Why do people take you in? _They're happy when I come.`sqG _But they don't know you. _How do you get there? Hitch_hiking?`sb3 When I'm invited, people send me a ticket.`d, _How convenient! _What do you mean?` C When I'm invited to do something... I often give lectures.` :" I do what I think is right.`>E If you'd spend 500,000 on flyers and Internet campaigns...`@ Then you'd reach millions in a much more efficient way.`H Yes, but... Maybe, but it's all about getting by without money. ` S Because I think a world without money is possible if we have other values.!`  0 We haven't discussed those values here."`*O  #`@  $`U  <"Remember? She talked about this.">%` G  &` % _Have a good time! _You too.'`q> Bye.(`@l# You'll be back Sunday night?)`n"E _Around 11 p.m. or something? _Late. Between 9:30 and 10:30.*`$ Bye!+`  B The salad bowl...,`   Hello!-`  D I'm not finished yet..` F  Hello, sweetie!/`   Let me have a look.0` 4 _That's great! Did you make it today? _Yes.1` %4 This is your grandpa. Yours too, of course.2` ' % Here he is about 30 years old.3`   That's me.4`  - _How old were you? _Here I was...12.5`  ;* _No, really? _What did you think?6`   You look like 20 or 40.7` ! _20 or 14. _Okay.8`!!= _This is your grandmother. No... _Great_grandmother?9`!!3 _My mother is your...? _Great_grandmother.:`!!&7  ;`!(!?  <`!!:) =`!=!p ' >`!r !2 ;  ?`! !MB  @`!O!U  A`!!?  B`!".M  C`"0" D`""# You don't have any of these?E`""/ I found them in a "give and take" box.F`""4 And I thought they would be nice for Santu.G`" " Now you can practise.H`""3 ?  I`"5 " ! J`" " P  K`" "3  L`"t"3 Show me your trousers. They are quite wet.M`""F I'll finish cleaning, and then I'll dry them on the radiator.N`""Y1 _You have more trousers too. _Many more!O`"[#K _Do you think I have only one pair? _No, I think you have several.P`##= _Do you have only one pair? _No, I have about three.Q`##G I'll be back for your birthday. And one more time before that.R`##  Maybe in May.S`##  Let's go over there.T`# #  It's been so nice!U`# # Bye!V`$~$L What happened?W`$O$C  X`$$ D I've been here so often that I thought she knew how I live.Y`$ $ 0 She also knows that she can rely on me.Z`$ $ 1 And now there is this drama, or problem.[`$ $P The point is, everyone is leaving. She is left alone in this big house.\`$$$ Maybe that's what it's about.]`$$`; You want to leave, and she would like you to stay.^`$c$> You are free as a bird. That characterizes your life._`$$F One cannot demand of you: "I like you so much. Stay with me."``$$- That doesn't work. That's the point.a`%% _Hi. _Hello, Helga.b`%k%bG _Would you like to join us? _I don't know, what are you doing?c`%%N1 We're trying to make everyone feel good.d`% %8 I need reliability.e`%:%. O It'd be hard for you to live like me, and even harder like Heidemarie.f`%0 %$ J _That's what's special about us. _And that's what it's all about.g`%& %> When I invite people home, they are heartily welcome.h`%%) From they arrive until they leave.i`%%4+ But there must be a structure to it.j`%6%4B We're not in your house or Angela's. You are in my house.k`%6%b. Enough. I won't bother you with this.l`%d%> Think about it. Let me just say I'm very fond of you.m`%&B I'm glad we got along so well throughout all these years.n`&&e, I would like us to continue that way.o`&&>  <"Okay, I'll stay on.">p`&&% q`&&l ?  r`& &B _Goodbye, Helga. _Bye.s`&W'k3  t`''J  u`''H  v`''3 A big applause for Heidemarie Schwermer, _w`''? , _ and her book Living Without Money."x`'' Who's next?y`'' Fantastic! Italian.z`'(jE I've tried to learn it, but I've forgotten everything again.{`(0(6 _Thank you for writing this. _You're welcome.|`(b(' }`(r( J When people don't understand my goal, it can be very frustrating.~`( ( $ But that didn't happen today.`( (  It was really great.`((- _We'll just take what we find? _Yes.`((; We'll look on the ground, and say: "This is good."`)<)!/ _This lettuce? _No. Maybe the cabbage.`))F We have lots of fruit.`){)C Look!`)E)h  _What? _An orange!`)j )a ) _We can take this? _That's okay.`)d )X / _We just take what we need? _Not more.`)Z ) Okay. Enough.`)J)) _There are very nice... _Lemons.`))fN I don't know if it's "legal" for you, but maybe we can find a bottle.`)h) A bottle?`)* + We won't buy it. We just steal it.`*p*I If your parents come back, they'll say: "Who took all the wine?"`**- No. They really don't care about it.`** It's so good.`**8 _Free salad! _I lived all week on these things.`** Yes, really.`** 4 I was just thinking about what I was doing.`* * + So I didn't bother about the others.`* *5 Probably if I did, I'd be a bit embarrassed.`**9 There are things which come from Mother Earth, _`**rB _ and we don't give them value.  Butgave them value.`**R Interestingly, a lot of people think when they buy something expensive...`**) _It's so important, right? _Yes.`*+fE So if you don't pay for it, it's kind of not worth anything.`+h+B This is a poor cauliflower, because we didn't pay for it.`++a5 In a shop it would be a serious cauliflower.`+c+0 At the moment, I'm sorry, but it isn't.`+ + E  `+ +<K  `+>+( `++ Where? Over there?`+(+#A  `,,6?  `,8,L  `,_,F  `,,H  `,,  `, ,Y * `,l,C( `,E,7  Living Without Money.`,,# `,,JO  `,M-m; <13 years ago,> `-o-8  `--E  `--#K  `-%-5O  `-7-= ?  `-? - ?  `- - H  `- -F  `--n) `-q-J  `-. L  `..7  `..D  `..O  `..g D  `.i . C  `. . ?  `..3' `.5.f; <_I have problems.> <_Where do you have problems?>`.h.O< _Here <_Where do you want to go?>`.R/A  `/d/: Everything disappeared. I couldn't hear anything.`//@ I'd never done this simultaneous interpretation before.`//K And then my mouth went dry. I worried about the split in my dress.`// # Terrible. Simply terrible.`/ / / It was the worst thing I've ever done.`/\ /  Well, never mind.`/ /2 But it's nobody's fault. I couldn't know.`//( For me it was too much of a show.`/3/'# I was not positive about it.`/)/C Suddenly I felt... I don't want to do such things anymore.`/06< I really don't want to. This is just entertainment.`080 It just makes no sense.`00 K  `0 0! G  `0$ 0K  `003J  `0116 The way the world is... I just can't bear it.`131 I think that money...`113 Not the money, that's only paper or coins.`1$1O Like a friend says, "the logic of money" has contributed so much to...`11 To the present situation.`1 1 & To get out of this is not easy.`2u2n6  `22D  `2 2 ;  `2U 2 ? Now this is over. Finished. Something new will appear.`2 2%( Then we won't need money anymore.`2'2tD Maybe it sounds too simple and idealistic and too romantic.`2v2> But I believe in it. I'm a hundred percent convinced.`22, Because life could be so much easier. dummy end of file